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De: Roberto Malater Guimaraes
Enviada: qua 20/1/2010 13:51
Para: Douglas Dickel
Assunto: post-rock

Hi, Doug!
Qual se poderia considerar o marco inicial do post-rock?



De: Douglas Dickel
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 20 de janeiro de 2010 14:50
Para: Roberto Malater Guimaraes
Assunto: RES: post-rock

Roberto!

O rótulo foi criado em 1994, pelo jornalista inglês Simon Reynolds, para definir o estilo do álbum Hex, da banda Bark Psychosis, em resenha na revista Mojo. Depois disso, Reynolds desenvolveu a idéia na Wire Magazine, e o termo passou a ser utilizado para agrupar os referidos artistas. Apesar da origem com os Bark Psychosis, Slint costuma ser considerada a banda precursora do estilo, com Spiderland.

Cronologia de primeiros discos das bandas importantes. Quando há um disco entre parênteses, é que a banda teve outros discos anteriormente que não eram post-rock.

1991 - Slint (Spiderland) [USA]
1991 - Talk Talk (Laughing stock) [INGLATERRA]

1992 - Cul De Sac [USA]
1993 - Gastr Del Sol [USA]
1994 - Bark Psychosis [INGLATERRA]
1994 - Low [USA]
1994 - Tortoise [USA]
1997 - Mogwai [ESCÓCIA]
1997 - Sigur Rós [ISLÂNDIA]
1998 - Godspeed You! Black Emperor [CANADÁ]


De: Roberto Malater Guimaraes
Enviada: qua 20/1/2010 15:09
Para: Douglas Dickel
Assunto: RES: post-rock

Wow!!!
Muito bom!
Me lembrei de te provocar com a pergunta porque ontem, depois de muito "namorar" com o DVD da apresentação do "Talk Talk" em Montreaux, em 1986, finalmente o comprei.
Assistindo-o direto quase duas vezes seguidas, e curtindo um monte uma das minhas bandas favoritas (e das mais injustiçadas, diga-se), me dei conta de que o disco "Spirit Of Eden", de 1988, pode ser considerado o verdadeiro precursor do post-rock. Me certifiquei de que há defensores dessa tese. Tenho essa preciosidade, essa maravilha da Arte, em vinil.
Tenta baixar esse disco. Aliás, tenta baixar, também, o "Laughing Stock" e o "The Colour Of Spring"! Duvido que não gostes... hehehe
Abração!



De: Douglas Dickel
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 20 de janeiro de 2010 14:50
Para: Roberto Malater Guimaraes
Assunto: RES: post-rock

Acho que baixei uma vez e não gostei muito.
Mas, sim, há quem diga!

Allmusic:

The musical foundation for post-rock crystallized in 1991, with the release of two very different landmarks: Talk Talk's Laughing Stock and Slint's Spiderland. Laughing Stock was the culmination of Talk Talk's move away from synth-pop toward a moody, delicate fusion of ambient, jazz, and minimalist chamber music; Spiderland, meanwhile, was full of deliberate, bass-driven grooves, mumbled poetry, oblique structures, and extreme volume shifts. While those two albums would influence many future post-rock bands, the term itself didn't appear until critic Simon Reynolds coined it as a way to describe the Talk Talk-inspired ambient experiments of Bark Psychosis.


Wikipédia em inglês:

Post-rock appears to take a heavy influence from late 1960s U.S. group The Velvet Underground and their “dronology” – “a term that loosely describes fifty percent of today’s post rock activity.” The “Krautrock” of the 1960s and ’70s would also exert a strong influence on post-rock, particularly via the “motorik”, or characteristic rhythm of much Krautrock. British group Public Image Ltd (PiL) were also pioneers, described by the NME as “arguably the first post-rock group.” Their second album Metal Box (1979) almost completely abandoned traditional rock and roll structures in favor of dense, repetitive dub -and krautrock- inspired soundscapes and John Lydon’s cryptic, stream-of-consciousness lyrics. The year before Metal Box was released, PiL bassist Jah Wobble declared, “rock is obsolete.” Flowers of Romance (1981), their third album, was an even more radical departure, emphasizing rattling percussion and abstract tape music.


Os Silver Apples, além dos Velvet (com as "varridas") e do krautrock alemão (com as batidas "motorik"), podem ser um dos avôs do gênero, na minha opinião:

Silver Apples are a psychedelic electronic music duo from New York City composed of Simeon Coxe III, who performs as Simeon, on a primitive synthesizer of his own devising (also named The Simeon), and until his death in 2005, drummer Danny Taylor. The group was active between 1967 and 1969, before reforming in the mid 1990s. They were one of the first groups to employ electronic music techniques extensively within a rock idiom, and their minimalistic style, with its pulsing, driving beat and frequently discordant modality, anticipated not only the experimental electronic music and krautrock of the 1970s, but underground dance music and indie rock of the 1990s as well.